Comments on: Calls for violence https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/ Flying a small plane. Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:34:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Frank Ch. Eigler https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1902 Sun, 24 Apr 2011 14:34:03 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1902 @JetAviator7, when you “doubt”, are you talking about the present or the past?

There are many wars where people and countries were saved by the US military and its allies. A few world wars come to mind immediately, but many other smaller conflicts probably also qualify, unless you define “saved” way down.

As for now, who knows? The present wars have liberated millions from dictatorships; the question is whether it can last, whether the people can stay saved.

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By: JetAviator7 https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1896 Tue, 12 Apr 2011 20:47:49 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1896 I served during the Vietnam War and EVERY war leaves a lot of innocents dead, and rarely has the result desired.

I doubt the US military can save many people, let alone a country.

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By: Frank Ch. Eigler https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1876 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:46:14 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1876 Just one more tidbit. US Navy visits Vietnam, 2009

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By: Frank Ch. Eigler https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1875 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:27:48 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1875 “The US intervention, whether justified or not,..”

But isn’t that *the* key question in assigning blame for the deaths?

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By: David Megginson https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1874 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:55:43 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1874 Thanks, Frank — you saved me the correction. South Vietnam was a dictatorship that (especially under Diem and his massacres) made Egypt and Libya look like Switzerland — not that the North was a paradise, either, of course.

The Vietnam War had two components: a conventional military invasion from the North (the North Vietnamese army), and a guerilla anti-government insurgency in the South (Viet Cong). The US intervention, whether justified or not, left 60,000 American soldiers and somewhere between 200,000 and 2M Southeast Asian civilians dead, a tragedy of mind-numbing proportions for the region — imagine 100 to 1,000 consecutive 9/11 attacks, in an area with a fraction of the US population.

Most Vietnamese alive today were born after the war, and I suspect the person who posted that comment must be among the young. It’s hard to imagine anyone who actually lived through the war — no matter what side he or she supported then, and no matter how much he or she likes the US now — wanting to see American solidiers back in Vietnam. The memories would just be too painful.

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By: Frank Ch. Eigler https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1873 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:37:25 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1873 Re. South Vietnam, I was mistaken to label it as “democratic” at the time of US involvement. It was a troubled country with a troubled government. But it was still an ally and a victim.

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By: Frank Ch. Eigler https://lahso.megginson.com/2011/03/02/calls-for-violence/#comment-1872 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 13:30:31 +0000 http://lahso.megginson.com/?p=432#comment-1872 You are of course entitled to filter comments however you see fit on your web site. However …

“The United States — saviour of the Vietnamese people?”

It sounds ironic, but it really isn’t. The US fought to help a democratic nation filled with real live vietnamese people from communist invasion. The fight was not successful, and resulted in a lot of suffering for the subjected people and a lot of death nearby (ask Aviatrix). So, can we agree at least to “attempted saviour”?

And regarding weapons, effective self-defense against armed opponents requires weapons. There is not much point making some sort of moral judgment about weapons per se, as opposed to their employment in particular circumstances.

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